I host a podcast called “Complex Creatures” where I get to talk to people about spirituality and the common good. Prior to hosting Ryan Burge and prior to my previous post here about his talk, I interviewed Ryan for the podcast.
I just recorded a short interview my producer Alan Barnes did with me on that same talk. It is short. It is far more general in my reactions to his diagnosis of church decline than my previous post I shared here. You can here the new episode here: